Tuesday, August 10, 2004

The Definitive Anti-Chomsky Link List

The Definitive Anti-Chomsky Link List compiled by Justin R. Taylor. Check it out.

21 Comments:

At August 11, 2004 at 5:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So we have the discredited Werner Cohn, whacko Gulf War II supporter Pejman Y., and a load of crummy articles from David Horowitz' crummy magazine. At least Billingsly's idiotic "Noam Chomsky: Punk Rock Hero" isn't there. My response: try harder.

- Strelnikov

 
At August 12, 2004 at 1:23 AM, Blogger LukaB said...

This is 'The Definitive Anti-Chomsky Link List'????

:)

 
At August 12, 2004 at 1:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Awwww, I guess the list doesn't live up to the high standards of the Chomskyites.

 
At August 12, 2004 at 10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon., Luka and I are not Chomskyites. We argue with Dhimmi and Ben, and their horde of quasi-anonymous "supporters" for kicks, and because the accusations would probably spiral out of control if the sites were FreeRepublic-like echo chambers. Aside from the sole anarchist arguing that Chomsky isn't enough of an anarchist, all of the articles on the list come from the extreme Right, the side of the political spectrum which seems to shout "SHUT UP!" to any critics of the American State, especially those which were critics of the Vietnam War (which is odd, because conservatives didn't begin that war, and were the only critics of it [besides the Nazi party] who though the military wasn't doing enough killing.) So in short, the list stinks because it is a partisan attack.

- Strelnikov

 
At August 12, 2004 at 11:23 AM, Blogger Dhimmi said...

And the comments keep getting more shrill and obnoxious every time. I just want to know the rational behind calling people who you disagree with wacko?

 
At August 12, 2004 at 3:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, Pejman isn't a whacko. He is an annoyingly shrill blogger with delusions of grandeur, but he is no worse then Glenn Reynolds or even the utterly insane Adam Yoshida. But whackodom must be put on the head of somebody on that list, so now David Horowitz is the whacko.

- Strelnikov

P.S. It's "rationale."

 
At August 12, 2004 at 4:24 PM, Blogger Dhimmi said...

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At August 12, 2004 at 4:27 PM, Blogger Dhimmi said...

All these wackos and insane lunatics in the world. Thank G-d we have Strelnikov to point them out for us.

I just find it funny how you claim Pejman has delusions of grandeur.

 
At August 13, 2004 at 1:05 AM, Blogger LukaB said...

Dhimmy,

why do you write G-d instead of God or god?

Thanks,

Luka

 
At August 13, 2004 at 2:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He is an observant Jew, and writing the name of God out in full is verboten to him by tradition.

- Strelnikov

 
At August 13, 2004 at 4:32 AM, Blogger LukaB said...

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At August 13, 2004 at 4:34 AM, Blogger LukaB said...

OK. Thanks. Didn't know that.

Learn something new every day.

:)

 
At August 13, 2004 at 12:26 PM, Blogger Dhimmi said...

Strelnikov,

Your almost right, but actually its the erasing of the name that is the 'sin'. See (Writing the Name of G-d):

http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

 
At August 14, 2004 at 1:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But back to Horowitz being a loon; I just forgot until now that Kerstein (writing anonymously) has admitted he is a loon back on the post for the 3rd of August ("Mainstreaming the Chomskyites.") So I'm not the only person who thinks Horowitz is off.

- Strelnikov

 
At August 19, 2004 at 5:03 AM, Blogger LukaB said...

Just posted this over at Benjamin's, thought it would fit here too.

If you would like another perspective, check out these links:

On all the Horowitz and Frontpagemag links (which make up for 17 of the 28 'definitive Anti-Chomsky' links) check out these two essays:

A Criticism of Noam Chomsky Criticism, part II (David Horowitz).

and

A Criticism of Noam Chomsky Criticism, part III (David Horowitz cont.).

On Sophal Ear's criticism:
A Criticism of Noam Chomsky Criticism, part I (Sophal Ear).

On Windschuttle:
I'll just mention one part of the article...

Windschuttle says:
In fact, Chomsky was well aware of the degree of violence that communist regimes had routinely directed at the people of their own countries. At the 1967 New York forum he acknowledged both “the mass slaughter of landlords in China” and “the slaughter of landlords in North Vietnam” that had taken place once the communists came to power. His main objective, however, was to provide a rationalization for this violence, especially that of the National Liberation Front then trying to take control of South Vietnam. Chomsky revealed he was no pacifist.

[Windschuttle quoting Chomsky]:I don’t accept the view that we can just condemn the NLF terror, period, because it was so horrible. I think we really have to ask questions of comparative costs, ugly as that may sound. And if we are going to take a moral position on this—and I think we should—we have to ask both what the consequences were of using terror and not using terror. If it were true that the consequences of not using terror would be that the peasantry in Vietnam would continue to live in the state of the peasantry of the Philippines, then I think the use of terror would be justified.

It was not only Chomsky who was sucked into supporting the maelstrom of violence that characterized the communist takeovers in South-East Asia. Almost the whole of the 1960s New Left followed. They opposed the American side and turned Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong into romantic heroes.

I'll just focus on one part - quoting Chomsky. He did say all of what Windschuttle attributes to him but what is interesting is what is omited. The paragraph quoted can be found in this debate and if you check the link, you will see that it ends with:

But, as I said before, I don't think it was the use of terror that led to the successes that were achieved.

Now Chomsky's condition "If it were true ..." makes more sence.

I'll quote another part of the discussion:
[Chomsky first spells out three different arguments for violence]

With all these arguments in favor of this type of violence, I still think there are good grounds to reject it. It seems to me, from the little we know about such matters, that a new society rises out of the actions that are taken to form it, and the institutions and the ideology it develops are not independent of those actions; in fact, they're heavily colored by them, they're shaped by them in many ways. And one can expect that actions that are cynical and vicious, whatever their intent, will inevitably condition and deface the quality of the ends that are achieved. Now, again, in part this is just a matter of faith. But I think there's at least some evidence that better results follow from better means.

Now compare this with what Windschuttle wrote and see what you come up with.



On Werner Cohn and his pamphlet:

Check out my post over at Chomskywatch.

The rest I haven't read so you'll have to make your own judgements but judging from the sample, I would not expect much. (just my opinion, of course)

 
At August 20, 2004 at 8:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, Strelnikov, it wasn't Kirstein who called Horowitz a loon, it was me, Nietzsche-quoting anonymous guy. I just wasn't using a pseudonym at the time. Yes, I think Horowitz is a paranoid loon, and I think Chomsky is a paranoid loon as well. Both have this religious manichean view of the U.S. as the force of light or dark in the world. Both views are ridiculous, especially coming from men who see themselves as such brilliant intellectuals.

-Nietzsche-quoting anonymous guy

 
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