Wednesday, August 18, 2004

The Anger of Noam Chomsky

A fellow anti-Chomskyte sent me the following article:

Copyright 1994 Globe Newspaper Company
The Boston Globe

HEADLINE: Doing a sales job on Noam's tome;
BYLINE: By Alex Beam, Globe Staff

If you're having a fancy soiree anytime soon, you might do well not to seat Hillel Stavis, the owner of WordsWorth bookstore in Harvard Square, and MIT linguistics professor Noam Chomsky too close to each other.

Stavis is hardly the only person who finds Chomsky's strident anti-Israeli political pronouncements objectionable; yet unlike many others, he is in a position to do something about it. When you go to WordsWorth in Harvard Square, you will find displayed next to Chomsky's political writings a small chapbook called "The Hidden Alliances of Noam Chomsky, " published by an organization called Americans for Safe Israel. The 39-page pamphlet, written by a retired professor named Werner Cohn, documents Chomsky's public statements defending the work of French academic Robert Faurisson, who is best known for calling Hitler's slaughter of the European Jews a "historical lie" and an "alleged genocide."

Earlier this month, Stavis approached Chomsky at a lecture and said he would try to get the Cohn pamphlet distributed in bookstores across the United States. "He went ballistic, this great defender of free speech called Cohn a neo-Nazi," Stavis recalls. "There's a sinister part to this guy. He's a Jewish self-hater, and he's nuts. You can quote me on that."

In an interview, Chomsky denies that he lost his temper, but confirms that he does regard Cohn to be a neo-Nazi, because he denies freedom of speech to his opponents. "They take my views and lie about them," says Chomsky, who explains that while he defends Faurisson's right to be heard, he is diametrically opposed to the Holocaust denial efforts. As far back as 1969, Chomsky says, "I wrote essay condemning the 'monstrous denials of Hitler's crimes.' Even by entering into the debate about these questions, you've lost your humanity."

As for Stavis, Chomsky bemusedly remembers receiving a letter in which the bookseller indicated he would be donating all profits from sales of Chomsky's books to the Safe Israel committee, and asked the professor if he wanted his name included among the donors. Chomsky never replied, though he appears to be replying now: "I grant Stavis his right to be an ultraright racist and an anti-Arab fanatic."
The person who emailed me the article has this to say about the article and Chomsky’s spite:
JUST SO WE ARE ALL CLEAR ABOUT CHOMSKY'S CONCEPTION OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH: IF YOU DISAGREE WITH HIM, YOU ARE DENYING HIM HIS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND OF COURSE THAT MAKES YOU A NEO-NAZI. QUITE A LIBERTARIAN, ISN'T HE?
How true.

73 Comments:

At August 19, 2004 at 12:26 AM, Blogger benjamin said...

Even if he did believe in free speech (which he doesn't) Chomsky's claims to libertarianism would still be ludicrous. His economic views are ferociously statist (one might even say Soviet) in nature, and his positions on taxes, social security, gun control, etc. are standard boilerplate from the left-liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

 
At August 19, 2004 at 3:53 AM, Blogger LukaB said...

"The Hidden Alliances of Noam Chomsky"

:)
Thought you wouldn't bring up Cohn till you contacted "Cohn to clear something up".

To sum up Cohn quickly...

He wrote the above pamphlet (later a book) and then wrote an article in Jewish Outlook, where he chose 'two examples to prove his theses.' to which Chomsky replied.
And refuted both of the claims he put forth as his main evidence.
(I'm concluding this from Chomsky's reply as Cohn has decided not to post his original article to Jewish Outlook)
He also addressed two additional claims about which you can read in the reply.

This was all in or before 1989.

Chomsky claimed in this letter that Cohn had never dared to reply (the letter was written sometime between 1989 and 1991) which was true at the time. (You can also read here why someone denying the Holocaust cannot be automatically branded an anti-Semite, which Dhimmy seems to think)

Cohn published a second edition of his book in 1995. He did not address Chomsky's criticisms of his theses in the revised edition, he does not even mention it in fact.

In 2001 (that is 12 years after Chomsky's reply), Cohn put up an update on the matter, for the first time mentioning Chomsky's response and without explicitly retracting or defending his original accusations. The fact that he did not dispute Chomsky's refutation of his theses in my opinion means he could not dispute it because he was wrong. If anybody can put up another credible reason for this, I'd be interested to hear it.

The 'new lie' accusation was:
Chomsky said in his Outlook reply that he could find "no hint of any collaboration [between him and Guillaume - Luka]" in Guillaume's book (which Chon's conspiracy theory is based on).

Cohn interprets this to mean 'that this Guillaume piece contains nothing that concerns him.[Chomsky]'

He then says:
But if the reader will consult p. 170 of Guillaume (Document A), he will there find an explanation of how Guillaume had submitted an earlier version of his piece to Chomsky, who had made some corrections, and how Guillaume had corrected the piece in accordance with Chomsky's instructions. Moreover, Guillaume also reproduces a letter from Chomsky, in further comment.


It's always a good idea to check what the original says. Here's a full quote of the the passage where the "no collaboration" quote appears:

"Since I never wrote a 'joint article' with Guillaume, I was curious, and after a search, found the book in question. Indeed, it contains the chapter 'Une mise au point', written in first-person singular by Guillaume, with no hint of any collaboration with me. I am mentioned in it, and fragments of a letter of mine are quoted in which I discuss changes in the U.S. intellectual climate since the 1960's."

Note that when he uses the phrase "no hint of collaboration" Chomsky is referring to Cohn's orginal claim about 'a joint article by Chomsky and his friend Pierre Guillaume, "Une mise au point",'. And if one checks Guillaume's book Droit et Histoire we can indeed see that the article was written by Guillame alone and that Chomsky is not mentioned as a co-author. So Cohn's original claim that Chomsky and Gullaume wrote a 'joint article' is wrong.

And do compare what Cohn claims and what Chomsky actually wrote.

That about sums it up.

 
At August 19, 2004 at 7:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Even if he did believe in free speech (which he doesn't) Chomsky's claims to libertarianism would still be ludicrous. His economic views are ferociously statist (one might even say Soviet) in nature, and his positions on taxes, social security, gun control, etc. are standard boilerplate from the left-liberal wing of the Democratic Party."

I take it you have never heard of the term "anarchist" before. I always thought he claimed to be an "anarchist" which is quite a bit different from the term "libertarian" as it is understood in the US. An anarchist is a far left libertarian. They have an entirely different philosophy on many issues. Many of them are a type of communist, particularly in Europe. A libertarian in the US sense is a far right libertarian. Both believe in anti-authoritarianism when it comes to basic civil liberties (like free speech) but their views are quite opposed on economic and other issues. The right libertarian is something uniquely American. They tend to attract the militia/patriot types. Anarchism is worldwide. In any event he is certainly not aligned to the Democratic Party.

Chomsky does indeed support free speech, in spite of anything he may have said in anger. It's the one praise he has for the US system. I wonder how you would react if someone was falsely calling you a Holocaust denier and neo-Nazi as Cohn has Chomsky. What Cohn has been doing is nothing short of libel, yet to the best of my knowledge Chomsky has never even threatened to sue. I think this is a testament to Chomsky's tolerance. '

JC

 
At August 19, 2004 at 8:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being the Wormtongue that he is, Chomsky sometimes claims to be an "anarchist" sometimes a "libertarian" to fit whatever misdirection he is attempting at the time. As you note, those words have specific meanings in different locations that he delibertately abuses.

How someone who advocates a World-State qualifies as either an "anarchist" or "libertarian" is beyond me. Perhaps a True Believer can explain to me how this fits into the Chomsky Canon?

 
At August 19, 2004 at 9:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always thought an anarchist is a type of libertarian - a far left libertarian to be exact.

JC

 
At August 19, 2004 at 10:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I always thought an anarchist is a type of libertarian - a far left libertarian to be exact."

American libertarianism has nothing to do with anarchism. Far Left/Right is meaningless, since their is no in between.

See more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian#Terminology

 
At August 19, 2004 at 10:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I said before, American Libertarians are far right libertarians - a completely different thing. And no - the term left libertarianism is not meaningless,

http://flag.blackened.net/liberty/libertarians.html

JC

 
At August 19, 2004 at 10:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As I said before, American Libertarians are far right libertarians - a completely different thing."

However, American libertarians see themselves as neither Left nor Right - so "Far Right" is meaningless from their perspective.

I could give a shit what anarchists say about the matter. Odd how anarchists renounce property rights, yet lay claim on the word as if it was property?

Back on topic, Chomsky is not an anarchist or libetarian by eithers definition. He is a statist, who advocates a World State and massive state intervention into people's lives.

 
At August 19, 2004 at 10:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How the American libertarian party sees themselves is completely irrelevant. I might as well define democracy based on the values American democratic party. Libertarianism is a much broader term than in the sense they use it. In intellectual circles it means a completely different thing. In Europe, for instance, the term libertarian is synonymous with anarchist, thus the need to differentiate between left and right libertarianism.

JC

 
At August 19, 2004 at 10:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How the American libertarian party sees themselves is completely irrelevant. I might as well define democracy based on the values American democratic party. Libertarianism is a much broader term than in the sense they use it. In intellectual circles it means a completely different thing. In Europe, for instance, the term libertarian is synonymous with anarchist, thus the need to differentiate between left and right libertarianism.

JC

 
At August 19, 2004 at 10:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How the American libertarian party sees themselves is completely irrelevant. I might as well define democracy based on the American democratic party. Libertarianism is a much broader term than in the sense they use it. In intellectual circles it means a completely different thing. In Europe, for instance, the term libertarian is synonymous with anarchist, thus the need to differentiate between left and right libertarianism.

JC

 
At August 19, 2004 at 11:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How the American libertarian party sees themselves is completely irrelevant."

I didn't say the "Libertarian Party," I said libertarians. Please learn the difference.

"In Europe, for instance, the term libertarian is synonymous with anarchist, thus the need to differentiate between left and right libertarianism."

It is still a nonsensical disctinction, as American libertarianism is neither left nor right. If that fucks up European or "intellectual" semantics, that is their problem.

 
At August 19, 2004 at 3:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually American libertarianism is far right. It has nothing to do with semantics, it has to do with political definitions. If you want to know how it is defined in intellectual circles I suggest you go here,

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

JC

 
At August 20, 2004 at 4:22 AM, Blogger LukaB said...

An excellent page, thanks JC.

 
At August 20, 2004 at 6:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't agree with those definitions nor that the link you posted is accepted by all "intelletuals" (or anyone intellectual).

See here for a comparison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

 
At August 20, 2004 at 6:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should Chomsky or any other person, for that matter, follow your personal definition (defined mainly by the American libertarian party) when it is understood quite differently around the world? The term left and right libertarian are very widely used and understood.

http://www.seop.leeds.ac.uk/entries/libertarianism/

JC

 
At August 20, 2004 at 7:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, you still don't understand that all those in the Libertarian Party are libertarians, but not all libertarians are part of the Libertarian Party. It was clearly mentioned in the article I presented, which you did not bother to read apparently.

Secondly, you have a selective memory about what the "world" is, as "libertarian" is widely understood to be a form of liberal in many parts of the western hemisphere. There are liberal-libertarians in Costa Rica and other places, and they are not "Rightwing" nor anarchists.

I expect you mean that "Europe = the World" - a very racist worldview.

 
At August 20, 2004 at 8:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did indeed read the article where you presented material supporting David Nolan. You do know he is one of the founders of the American Libertarian Party don't you? So obviously his views are reflective of that party. Others around the world, as I have shown, view it very differently and anarchists have been using the term "libertarian" long before anyone ever heard of the American Libertarian party or David Nolan.

JC

 
At August 20, 2004 at 8:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "Nolan Chart" is widely accepted outside the United States and outside the Libertarian Party. The affiliation of the founder is irrelevent. My Political Science 101 textbook included it. The same textbook did not include some chart off the internet (which you seem to think is proof).

There are libertarians (of the liberal variety) in Sweeden, Russian, New Zealand, Britain, Costa Rica and other places. All of them call themselves "libertarian" and profess views of the liberal tradition. None of these are members of the US Libertarian Party.

I believe all you have shown is that you believe the "world" to be a few ancient anarhcists from Europe.

 
At August 20, 2004 at 9:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually what I have shown is that the term "libertarian" is much broader than that of one of the founders of the American Libertarian Party. It's you who have restricted it - not me.

JC

 
At August 20, 2004 at 10:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, the term is widely accepted beyond the founders of the American LP. Repeating your tired BS over and over does not make an argument.

Further the debate was if the term "right-libertarian" has any sort of relevnece. It clearly does not. As I have shown, liberal libertarians are neither left or right.

 
At August 20, 2004 at 11:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Again, the term is widely accepted beyond the founders of the American LP."

I never said it wasn't. My point was and is that it is broader than the definition you presented. And this isn't a strictly European view either since one of the definitions I posted comes from Stanford University. Instead of bickering with me about it, why don't you go to a library and check out some books? Then we will both know. Let me suggest one on a subject you say doesn't exist,

The Origins of Left-Libertarianism : An Anthology of Historical Writings
by Peter Vallentyne (Editor), Hillel Steiner (Editor)

JC

 
At August 20, 2004 at 11:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It isn't that the term is "broader" but that it has two, clear distinct definitions which have nothing to do with each other.

There is a fish called a "dolphin" and a mammal called "dolphin." To say one is a "right-dolphin" and one is a "left-dolphin" is stupid. They are different animals.

Worse it shows your two-dimentional bias to a left/right spectrum which is not a universal truth.

 
At August 21, 2004 at 5:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Getting back to the original post; I called the WordsWorth bookstore, and one of their salespeople admitted that they were still selling the Cohn tract next to the Chomsky material but that the books outsold the tract, which I think is funny because the tract sells for far less that even the smallest Chomsky book. Stavis is still manager of the store; if anybody wants to confirm what I've written call the store at (617) 354-5201.

- Strelnikov

 
At August 21, 2004 at 9:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does Chomksy do with the profits from his books? I hear he has a pretty nice house, very large. I wonder if he lets poor people live in it.

 
At August 21, 2004 at 10:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"At 11:42 AM, Anonymous said...

It isn't that the term is "broader" but that it has two, clear distinct definitions which have nothing to do with each other.

There is a fish called a "dolphin" and a mammal called "dolphin." To say one is a "right-dolphin" and one is a "left-dolphin" is stupid. They are different animals."

Again, I very much suggest you go check out some books at the library. As you know the "left" and "right" distinctions are meant to differentiate how each type of libertarian stands on economic issues. What makes them similar is how both are anti-authoritarian on social issues (or at least claim to be).

"Worse it shows your two-dimentional bias to a left/right spectrum which is not a universal truth."

Your comment is ridiculous. Do you have any idea of what you are talking about? Do you even know the difference between one dimensional and two dimensional? A purely left-right definition is "one" dimensional. But since the definitions I posted before have two axis (vertical axis being authoritarian and horizontal being economic) my definition (and even that of the American libertarian party) is "two" dimensional.

 
At August 21, 2004 at 10:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

" At 9:08 PM, Anonymous said...

What does Chomksy do with the profits from his books? I hear he has a pretty nice house, very large. I wonder if he lets poor people live in it."

Why? Do you need a place to stay? Why don't you try a homeless shelter?

JC

 
At August 21, 2004 at 10:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"At 5:15 PM, Anonymous said...

Getting back to the original post; I called the WordsWorth bookstore, and one of their salespeople admitted that they were still selling the Cohn tract next to the Chomsky material but that the books outsold the tract, which I think is funny because the tract sells for far less that even the smallest Chomsky book. Stavis is still manager of the store; if anybody wants to confirm what I've written call the store at (617) 354-5201.

- Strelnikov
"

Why doesn't that surprise me? I don't think anyone is really interested in Cohn's paranoia.

JC

JC

 
At August 22, 2004 at 8:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Again, I very much suggest you go check out some books at the library."

I HAVE. Have you?

"As you know the "left" and "right" distinctions are meant to differentiate how each type of libertarian stands on economic issues."

Simply not true, as liberal libertarians do not see the disctinction. To "regulate" newspapers is to censor them, etc. To provide "equal access" to newspapers is to regulate them, etc.

The premises for anarchists and libertarians (of the liberal tradition) are completely different.

"What makes them similar is how both are anti-authoritarian on social issues (or at least claim to be)."

"Your comment is ridiculous"

Nope, your comment is ridiculous -- as I was talking about your slavish devotion to two-dimentional scales (not one-dimentional) which, as in reality, are not three dimentional. Maybe you should actually read what I wrote.

 
At August 22, 2004 at 8:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Do you need a place to stay? Why don't you try a homeless shelter?"

If Choam believed that "property is theft" he would let me live there. I emailed him and he rejected me. He also refused to mail me his computuer, which means he is claiming it as property.

Choam is a reactionary bourgeoisie. As in Vietnam, after the revolution I would expect his support when we liquidate the reactionary bourgeoisie.

 
At August 27, 2004 at 6:28 AM, Blogger LukaB said...

Anonymous,

your own Nolan chart proves that there is left and right libertarians. Tilt it 45 degrees to the left and what you get is basically the politicalcompass chart (with liberalism being replaced by lef and conservatism by right and authoritarian and libertarian switched).

This is what I wrote over at Benjamin's (assuming you are the same anonymous):
You've just shown you don't understand either chart so I don't see how you can claim one is better than the other (or that Chomsky is located at 0,0).

If you bothered to check your own reference, you'd see this written:
"In another popular portrayal, the Nolan Chart takes a rhomboid form, with left representing liberalism, right representing conservatism, down representing authoritarianism, and up representing libertarianism."

Now look at the chart on www.politicalcompass.org and surprise, surprise, what you get is the above description. The only difference is that liberalism is replaced with left and conservatism with right. (And authoratism and libertarianism are switched but that doesn't really matter). The interpretation on the sites differ, but the chart is the same.

I prefer the one at politicalcompass (and they have a nice test so you can see where you fit) but to each their own, I guess.

But to claim one is better than the other is idiotic.

 
At October 5, 2004 at 1:11 AM, Blogger Gregla said...

LukaB shows little understanding of Pierre Guillaume's Droit et Histoire, Paris, 1986. It contains TWO documents published together. The first - and only the first - is written in the first person by Guillaume. But there is also a second - much shorter - commentary on the narrative by Chomsky himself. Because these TWO pieces were published together, Werner Cohn can properly speak of a joint publication. How else would one describe it in plain, simple English? Chomsky's supposed "refutation" of Professor Cohn refers only to the first, longer part.
In its own right, that first part is damaging to Chomsky, since Guillaume tells us how he met Chomsky in 1979, having been introduced by another Holocaust denier, Serge Thion. At the 1979 meeting, Guillaume told Chomsky about Robert Faurisson. Chomsky loudly insists that he, personally, has nothing to do with Holocaust denial - but then Guillaume tells us how Chomsky meets up with one Holocaust denier after another. Why doesn't Chomsky just walk away from them, since actions speak louder than words?

 
At October 5, 2004 at 12:37 PM, Blogger LukaB said...

Gregla,

you don't seem to have understood what I wrote. Re-read.

 
At October 27, 2004 at 8:44 AM, Blogger thommes000 said...

Nice try on this site but your quotes from Chomsky are so strong and your attacks are so weak, well it makes me want to go and read some Chomsky first hand.

 
At February 19, 2005 at 11:49 PM, Blogger Gregla said...

It is arrogant and presumptuous, in the oft-imitated Chumpskian style, for LukaB to declaim, with no explanation, that I somehow "don't understand what [LukaB] wrote." English is my native language and I understand all too well what LukaB scribbled. He now refers to absolutely nothing that I wrote concerning TWO documents - not just the ONE that Chomsky alluded to - and, more significantly, he now refers to nothing that Chomsky wrote in Jewish Outlook. I understood LukaB perfectly, since he was just echoing what Chomsky, his mentor, had written earlier. All I get now from KukaB is a self-pitying sniffle that the poor little tyke has not been understood. Yeah? Prove it.

 
At August 31, 2005 at 3:47 AM, Blogger LukaB said...

Gregla,

What you are claiming has nothing to do with what Cohn claimed.

Cohn acused Chomsky of writing 'a joint article by Chomsky and his friend Pierre Guillaume, "Une mise au point"'.

This is different from what you are claiming.

You are saying that Guillaume wrote 'Une mise au point' but that in addition to that Guillaume's book 'Droit et Historie' contains and additional commentary on the article by Chomsky.

Cohn says nothing of the sort.

Now if you wish to present evidence for this 'commentary on the narrative by Chomsky himslef' we can of course discuss it but it should prove impossible as it doesn't exist or Cohn would certainly have mentioned it.

So I'll stick with 'you don't seem to have understood what I wrote. Re-read.'

Proven?

 
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